{"id":2112,"date":"2026-07-06T13:16:22","date_gmt":"2026-07-06T13:16:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/html5accessibility.com\/stuff\/?p=2112"},"modified":"2026-07-06T13:16:22","modified_gmt":"2026-07-06T13:16:22","slug":"a-dose-of-dennis-by-the-fire","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/html5accessibility.com\/stuff\/2026\/07\/06\/a-dose-of-dennis-by-the-fire\/","title":{"rendered":"a dose of Dennis by the Fire"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2113\" src=\"https:\/\/html5accessibility.com\/stuff\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/IMG_2309.jpg\" alt=\"Dennis enjoying a beverage at a CSUN reception\" width=\"674\" height=\"900\" srcset=\"https:\/\/html5accessibility.com\/stuff\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/IMG_2309.jpg 674w, https:\/\/html5accessibility.com\/stuff\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/IMG_2309-225x300.jpg 225w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 674px) 100vw, 674px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>You may know him from Deque, Paypal, e-bay or GitHub. As <a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@webaxe@indieweb.social\">WebAxe<\/a>, or Easychirp or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dennislembree.com\/\">Dennis Lembree<\/a> or you may not know him at all. Now is your opportunity to get to know him a little better!<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/0V-_zZQKUxI?si=zY8ofeqtvBMwT-XJ\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<details>\n<summary>Transcript<\/summary>\n<pre>Steve:\r\nWell, hello, Dennis Lembree, my friend. We've known each other for many a year.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nThe mighty Steve Faulkner.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah, we've been around the the traps together for many a year. In fact, I've met you many times over the years at CSUN and a11yTO and other places.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYou know, I wish we never were really able to spend too much time together.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nAlthough we will have to hang out more next time. Yeah, your screen's gone off, by the way. Oops.\r\n\r\nYeah, so let's next time we meet, we will sit down and have a nice drill. Yeah, we'll have a hopefully a longer and more fruitful conversation. We have today, not saying that it will not be fruitful.\r\n\r\nSo, Dennis, tell us, tell us about your career and what you've been doing. When did you start in accessibility?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nI started in 2001.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nSame time as me. But you're obviously much younger than me. So that's that's you've got that going.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nA few years, maybe.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah. Well, you don't have grey hair, mate.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah, I was kind of. In and out of accessibility a little bit. I know I've been doing it for 2001.\r\n\r\nIf my full time job wasn't around digital accessibility, I was still doing it on the side. But yeah, it started because I worked for a company in Orlando, Florida that did web based training. Right.\r\n\r\nThey used to do like CD, CD-ROM like training things. And I was their first like web developer. And they had a lot of government contracts.\r\n\r\nAnd that was the year when Section 508 became enacted. And so they said, Dennis, learn the Section 508 stuff and we need to do it. And that's how it got started.\r\n\r\nAnd I just found it really a valuable, but also a lot of crossover with usability and web standards and everything. And that was hooked up since then. Excellent.\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nSo you started there, but then you've worked for loads of different companies. I mean, I will not lie.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah. Yeah.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nI know that you were at Deque, you were at PayPal. Yeah. Yeah.\r\n\r\nWhere else do you work?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nPayPal for two and a half or three years. I was on the accessibility team with Victor Tsaran and a couple of other good folks. Then I moved to eBay for like a year and I helped lead the effort there.\r\n\r\nThen yeah, Deque Systems. Two tenures at Deque altogether almost seven years.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nWow.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah. And then then I worked for almost two years under Joe Devon at Diamond. Yeah.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nWhat happened with that? Diamond went under. All right.\r\n\r\nThe company... I won't judge you though. I hope not.\r\n\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nI hope not due to me. But it was a good run. And then, yeah, I went back to Deque and now I'm at GitHub.\r\n\r\nSo I've been at GitHub for almost two and a half years. Going on two and a half years is this.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nAnd you're working with... Who else works there? I always going to say Carie Fisher, but it's Shelley Fisher, isn't it?\r\n\r\nCarie Fisher. It is Carie Fisher.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah. Yeah. Yeah.\r\n\r\nShe's like we're on the same team. It's a small team of senior program accessibility managers. Maria Lamardo and Ed Summers is our is our manager.\r\n\r\nHe's the head of accessibility at GitHub.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nAnd where does the duplicitous Eric Bailey sit in this?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nHe is a accessibility designer. We have two or three of those folks. So it's on the wider team and there's some accessibility engineers.\r\n\r\nAnd so between them and us, that kind of makes up accessibility folks at the company.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nSo how did... How are you dealing with the AIification of code?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nUh, personally, you know, I struggle with it a little bit. I see some of the benefits, but there's a lot of downfalls, you know.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nAnd yeah. Are you you're encouraged to use AI? \r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nAbsolutely.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nBut you're not. It's not like KPI is a key performance indicator or whatever. You have to.\r\n\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nI hope not.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nWe'll see.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nWe'll see.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nI'll just I'll just ask your boss how's Dennis going?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nIt's a touchy subject.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah, no, no, I understand. And I understand it's difficult, but it's it's a double edged sword or a triple edged sword, isn't it? Because it's it's interesting and it's an interesting area of of research and use.\r\n\r\nI freely admit I use AI on occasion. I it's not in my general day to day workflow, but it does help me when I can't do because I'm crap at programming. Like, you know, writing something like Python or whatever.\r\n\r\nI can't do it. I know that you are a much more accomplished in the development of stuff because didn't you? Well, you could string things together pre AI.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nWell, I've been there, done that. You know, I mean, I've been trying to get away from the development side. If if I can, it doesn't seem like it's.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nSo what is your job consist of day to day now? Oh, jeez. What you can talk about.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah. So I can talk about generally what I do. Mostly what I do is I run the audits, all of the audits for the company.\r\n\r\nThis is just for a third party. Well, we use we use a third party vendor yet to do the actual testing. And how how useful is that?\r\n\r\nIt's pretty good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, when I came in, you know, it was a bit of a mess because there was some turnover and the quality wasn't up to up to par.\r\n\r\nSo so, yeah. So I got it all in order. You know, we we audit by services within.\r\n\r\nYeah. So I'm ramping up the number of services we audit, you know, I'm trying to get the quality is, you know, improve, continuously improve the quality. But then I also do the governance part stuff.\r\n\r\nSo like I'm in charge of the weekly grading and the reports and all that jazz. So there's a lot of, yeah, complexities and headaches to come with all that. But it's coming along pretty well.\r\n\r\nAnd I have a I have a good helper, Arisa Dubow, who's a contractor that's been helping me and she's been doing a great job. So it's come along.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nSo you'd like management as well, or is just unofficial help?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nWell, she actually officially reports to me. The this testing team, they they all unofficially report to me. They report to Ed on the, you know, on paper.\r\nBut yeah, yeah, I deal with the day to day.\r\n\r\nI manage all that team.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nSo it's sort of like project management sort of stuff.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah, it's a lot of program project management stuff.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nNow, I wanted to ask you about your time at Deque, because. I just remember this was I was quite shocked by it. I just remembered that you were at CSUN and I went to their their social.\r\n\r\nAnd you were not invited. And I asked you why at the time. I was just thinking it's because it just seemed odd to me that that they were having a a reception and the staff weren't invited.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nOh, I remember.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nIt's just something I wouldn't do.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah, I think it was more of a sales thing, you know.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah, that's why I got invited. Yeah, because they wouldn't do nothing. Well, I wasn't going to buy anything.\r\n\r\nI'd have a few drinks. Yeah, no, it was just I thought it was a bit odd, that's all. Because it just, you know, just didn't seem like well, the way to treat treat people that work for you.\r\n\r\nBut you don't work there anymore.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nWe don't want to go there. Well, I mean, we all know Deque does great things, but we all know they've done a few not so great things. So we don't.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah, well.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nBut I think most people know what I'm talking about. Yeah.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nMan, a few words. Now, I want to apologize to you because in another fireside chat, I was recalling how I saw this was I don't know how many years ago. I'd see some and we were up in a Reception, there was was when I was still TPG days, and I think that Mike Paciello had a reception in his room and I was there and you were there and I was implying that you looked coked up, which which is always stuck in my head. But I know you weren't. It was just me being an ass and frivolous.\r\n\r\nSo I just want to apologize that to be besmirch you good name in nature. Because, yeah, I don't think you're trying to try.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nI don't touch the hard stuff.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nNo, no, nor do I smoke a little dope. But, you know, that's that's where are you living now? Talking about smoking.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nI live outside of Raleigh, North Carolina.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nAnd is it is it legal in North Carolina?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nNo, no, no.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nThat's where Mike lives there as well. Who? Mike Paciello lives in.\r\n\r\nI think he lives in North Carolina or maybe South Carolina.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nDid he move here like a year or two ago or something?\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah. After his wife died and we married and he moved somewhere. I think it's either south or north.\r\n\r\nI mean, that's just all Carolina. But I know it is Carolina. That's as good as my American geography goes.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nSo I'm about. Let's see. Washington, D.C. is about four or five hour drive.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nAll right. So it's quite a quite a distance there. Do you ever go to mEnabling?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nOh, once, once I went.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nI went once as well. Got myself a picture outside the White House with Leonie. Oh, that's good.\r\n\r\nYou got before it got ruined. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's quite a nice shot.\r\n\r\nWell, apart from the fact there's a picture of me, it's it's a nice photo. So. Previously, I mean, you've done lots of things.\r\n\r\nWhat one of them being Easy Chirp. Obviously, I'd like to rest now.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah, for a few years now.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah. I mean, this is yeah, this is it.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nIt's just a lot. That's a long story. But yeah, it's easy.\r\n\r\nI'll give you the 15 second review. I started accessible Twitter 2009. Then a few years later, they completely revamped the API, so I had to completely rebuild it.\r\n\r\nSo I did that, made it. It looks similar, but it was really subtle differences in the UI in the back. The back end was completely different.\r\n\r\nBut what was that built using? Uh, some PHP framework. A lot of the name escapes me now.\r\n\r\nYeah, no, that's fine. But like a map, a map kind of thing. Yeah.\r\n\r\nYeah, I'm a big PHP fan. But yeah, so then then I changed the name to Easy Chirp. And then a few years later.\r\n\r\nThe yeah, they they closed the they closed the API and everything, and that was nice.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nDo you and what social media do you prefer now or do you use?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nI was getting a little burned out on social media and getting frustrated, you know, with all the the corporate takeovers and all that. So I mostly use Mastodon. That's my main one.\r\n\r\nAnd then, you know, I I'm using LinkedIn more.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah, it's funny, though, isn't it? I've used I mean, I just put all the same old crap that I put everywhere else. Yeah, with a slightly more professional flavor.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nI mean, I've been staying away from the other for two reasons, I guess, to a few reasons. Just like like I said, I'm kind of burned out on it. And like the whole corporate stuff, you know, and it's just kind of turned me off.\r\n\r\nThat's why I don't have the time. You know, I don't have the time to do what I used to do either.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah, yeah. No, no, I understand. I mean, I don't I mean, I stayed on Twitter for quite a while because I had eleven thousand followers and I, you know, it was a bit hard for me for my ego to give up.\r\n\r\nBut eventually, eventually I did a couple of years ago and I've been using Blue Sky and Mastodon. And as you say, LinkedIn, what I've recently done is I've switched over. My hosting provider on Mastodon, Blue Sky to Euro Sky, and I use the euro client now called Mu.\r\n\r\nSo so the the client is is EU only, well EU only as in it's all it comes from the EU. It's not owned by a particular corporation. The infrastructure that supports supports the Euro Sky is the same digital sovereignty.\r\n\r\nYeah, it is. So, I mean, I've just started to get into it a little bit, this European sovereignty stuff, because because of the things that have been happening in the States and. That.\r\n\r\nYou know, the rule, the rule can be pulled, the rug can be pulled from under you at any point in time. Yeah, really. You know, I was I was somebody was telling me, oh, no, it was.\r\n\r\nYeah, because I spoke to this guy, Robin Burjon, and if you know of him, he's. But I've known him for many years because he was one of the he worked at the W3C at the time that I was editing it and I was one of the editors of the HTML5 spec. And he was the co-editor as well.\r\n\r\nI've got to know him then. But since since working at the W3C, it's like I haven't spoke to him in 12, 15 years, no, 12 years. And, you know, he's been working in privacy at the New York Post.\r\n\r\nAnd then he's been doing other stuff. But now he's essentially involved in in the promotion of of something called Atmospheres Framework, which is was one of the things that he's involved in. But essentially, it's about, you know, making stuff less reliant on technology, on on American technology.\r\n\r\nOne of the things that he told me was I think it was him anyway. It was him. But there was he was talking about those two judges that were working for the International Court of Criminal Justice.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nOK.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nOn the question of Palestine. And they both got sanctioned by the U.S. and everything, all like the bank accounts were shut down, the credit cards, everything, any any access to the American monetary system, which is all money flows through, was shut down. So they essentially didn't have couldn't get any money, couldn't use any credit.\r\n\r\nAnd I was thinking, well, I can help. I hopefully doesn't happen to you or I, but more likely to happen to me than to you. But you never know, do you?\r\n\r\nBecause, yeah, if you stick your head above the the parapet, that this is part of the reason why I won't go to America. Yeah. Yeah.\r\n\r\nIncarcerated.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nOh, shit.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah, I don't we don't need to go into it. I mean, obviously it's a it's a tragedy what's going on over here. And believe me.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nOh, yeah.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nI'm sickened and angered as much as, you know, most people are.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah. No, no. I imagine it's it's well, from the outside, it looks like, you know, a very exhausting and emotionally draining situation.\r\n\r\nAnd that is just for people like you and I have the benefit of, you know, of being white and well-paid and male and all those things. It's still, you know, shit, shit, scary stuff. But hopefully it will end at some point.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nLet's hope so.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nCrossing fingers. So what what do you do when you're not doing accessibility? Dennis.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nOh, wow. Do you have a life? Sort of.\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nWell, you're you're a parent.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah, I got two boys.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nHow old are they?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\n20 and 21. \r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nWow. I always just thought they're going to be kids. But I'm not mixing you up. But I was thinking about Paul Adams because he's got a kid, but he's one kid as far as I know.\r\n\r\nBut he's not she's not as old as that. Well, Dennis, so your kids at college.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nThe younger boys in college. Yeah. And they keep me busy.\r\n\r\nAnd then I got well, I'm married and then I've got four cats.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nSo so you've got your kids at home or they they moved out?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nThey're home right now. Yeah. Yeah.\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nI've got two two girls, one 17, one 21. And they're both. And in fact, we've got my my oldest daughter's girlfriend living with us, so we've got extra people in the house.\r\n\r\nIt's good.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nOh, OK.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nSo that's nice.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nBut, you know, mostly lately. I just have to mention since you asked. Yeah, yeah, sure.\r\n\r\nI've been playing a lot of bass guitar. Oh, really? Yeah.\r\n\r\nThe last couple of years. So I play guitar. You know, I'm not the greatest, but I'm OK for most of my life.\r\n\r\nI play guitar. But then a couple of years ago, I finally got a bass guitar and I'm just loving it and just like learning.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nSo you're playing a band or you just play?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nI just play like I just learn songs like down in the basement and jam out my songs. So it's fun. I play along with like anything from like the Smiths to Marilyn Manson to Led Zeppelin to The Cure, you know, cool bunch of chili peppers, all kinds of stuff.\r\n\r\nSo it's fun.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nSo why do you bother these days? Why don't you just let AI do it for you?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah, really? Yeah. Well, yeah, the point is to actually use your mind and to learn something and to like have exactly.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah, exactly. That's that's one of the things about is taking is is we hand off all this basic knowledge and interaction to other to non-humans, essentially. OK, so let's switch it up and do the the Rogues Gallery.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nAh.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nSo. Let me just share this. All right.\r\n\r\nSo you should be able to see it now. The Rogues Gallery. I'll make it super large for you so you can.\r\n\r\nThank you. So first up. Top left.\r\n\r\nDo you know who that is?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nI'm going to have to go with Dr. Swallow.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYes. Dr. Swallow. He's been working.\r\n\r\nI was telling my daughter, \r\nmy youngest daughter works out and she's quite muscular. And I'll say to her, oh, Dave, my friend Dave has been going to the gym as well. They show that picture.\r\n\r\nI didn't do that. That was Pat, for some reason. I can't remember.\r\n\r\nBut every time I see it, it makes me laugh. You guys are hilarious. Yeah.\r\n\r\nNext up. That's Pat. Yeah.\r\n\r\nPat, this is this is fresh from his his bicycle tour. He's he's got a bicycle. He's been tinkering with his bike, but he's also been going on these local rides around where he lives in Preston.\r\n\r\nNow, this sort of a 21 mile sort of loop that goes around through the countryside of that. And he's he's been doing that with a group of other people. And I like this photo because it looks like you're getting kicked in the head.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYou know, him is a he's in the photography, right? Because, like, oh, yeah. I mean, he took that on Mastodon.\r\n\r\nIt's pretty cool.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah. Yeah. He you should check out his his.\r\n\r\nOh, what? What is it? What's what's the.\r\n\r\nWhat? Instagram? No, the other one, the old one, the the one from Yahoo that I quit because they really.\r\n\r\nYeah, that one. Whatever it's called, I can't remember, but he's got thousands and thousands of photos on there. Like he he put stuff up there, but he's like about five or six years behind.\r\n\r\nSo we just because he's just got so many photos that he put in, he processes them, chooses the best sticks, sticks some up there. So what you usually see are things that he has and he's he's taken. But he he just wanted to show because it'll take him years to actually appear.\r\n\r\nBut also his dad, who recently passed, he took a lot of photos as well. And he's got an Instagram account for his dad, dad's photos and some really nice photos there as well. He's.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nOh, that's cool.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah, it's really I mean, I love photos. That's why I take so many, because I just remember things, you know. It's a reminder.\r\n\r\nSo anyway, who's this one? She looks a bit wider than normal because I'm like, good. Huh?\r\n\r\nIs that Glenda? That's Glenda the Good Witch, who appeared on this very podcast a couple of weeks ago, and there she is wearing a , funky accessibility shirt that I've sent her. So nice.\r\n\r\nAnd Glenda is the chief accessibility information officer at Deque, which is quite a mouthful. It's quite a title, yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's a cool title.\r\n\r\nC-I-A-O.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYou know, I did when I was at Deque. I did, you know, work with her here and there, and she's just as she's just as enjoyable and nice at work that she is like.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nWell, that's good.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nThat's good.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nI mean, having people that that are approachable and friendly and take the time to talk to you is important work, especially especially if you're, you know, junior or less senior as well as she's very senior. So, yeah, who's next? Do you know who this person is?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nI do. That's Sarah Higley.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYes, that is Sarah Higley, and that was from a picture which is looks rather pixelated, but it's better. That was from AccessoryTO last year. Big A, do crime.\r\n\r\nI like it. I like the shirt. So Sarah works at Microsoft, so she sort of works at the same company that you do in a way.\r\n\r\nI mean, I know you work at GitHub, but that's owned by Microsoft now, isn't it? I mean, is there a lot of management crossover or company crossover now?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nNot really, no. We're lately we've been the company's been encouraged to work more with Microsoft. They've changed a couple of our tools to help.\r\n\r\nI can't get any details, obviously, but so. Once in a while, yeah, I might be in a meeting with some Microsoft folks.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nWell, yeah, because Scott works there as well. Scott O'Hara and Aaron Gustafson, who's I'm speaking with in a couple of weeks. Cool.\r\n\r\nSo yeah, he's AI frenzied.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nOh, that's right. He did kind of move over in that area, didn't he?\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah. So I'll be interested to talk to him. Bottom left.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nIs that? Well, she used to lead Microsoft Accessibility, right? Jenny Lee Fleury.\r\n\r\nYes. Why?\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nShe doesn't anymore.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nCorrect. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think she just I think she left.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nOh, maybe. I don't know. Recently.\r\n\r\nRecently. Yeah, I'll have to look it up. I have no idea.\r\n\r\nI thought that she was. So they've got somebody else installed in the job now.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah. Yeah, they do. I don't I don't remember the details.\r\n\r\nI don't I try, you know, I try to just stay focused on my area and what I need to do. And I'm trying to I'm trying to not to pay attention to all the extra stuff.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nIt was full of I don't need to put in my head.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nAnd yeah, oh, it's the same with my personal life, you know, like I got to take some it takes so much.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah. You know, I used to be a head, head of the title of chief accessibility officer at a disparity, but it was it wasn't really there. But it wasn't the right job for me, put it that way.\r\n\r\nBut I guess largely because I wasn't interested being a chief accessibility officer, I was interested in doing the shit that I do.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nBut having said that, since working since moving to technological and being a director, co-owner of the company, I've had to do things that I wouldn't have managed to avoid doing for many years, which is like sales. So I do internal sales as in inbound sales. But, yeah, sometimes you've got to do what you don't want to do or not.\r\n\r\nI don't want to do it, but it's just you know, it's a challenge.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nAt my age. Next up, do you know who this guy is? I know who that is, but I can't I can't.\r\n\r\nIs his name Snook?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nThat sounds right. Jonathan Snook?\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nI don't know. I saw his picture and I thought, I've known this guy, but I couldn't remember his name and then I couldn't be bothered to look it up.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nI should I should know. I should know the answer.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nBut I'm I think it is Jonathan Snook. You know as well as I do.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nOh, yeah. Jonathan. OK, that sounds right.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah. I mean, he's blossomed in the past.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah. Majorly. The next person I just read the person off the street.\r\n\r\nWell, it's actually who is the guy behind you? That's what I want to know.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nOh. I don't know.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nHe looks he looks he looks as if he was having the photo taken of him. That is a photo that is a that I took of you at a11yTO in 2019. Oh, OK.\r\n\r\nI think it was 2019. And then there's lastly, but not leastly, there is Eric Bailey.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYep.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nAnd I saw Eric at a11yTO last year. Really enjoyed his his talk. When are you coming to a11yTO again?\r\n\r\nGood question.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nWell, you know, I was there a year and a half ago.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYear and a half. So two years ago, the second. Was I there?\r\n\r\nNo. No. I was there last year.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nOK.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah. I'm planning on going this year.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nI think I was there a year before that.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah. It was I went to the first, you know, five or six TO conferences. Then I missed a couple and then I went back.\r\n\r\nI spoke for the second time a year and a half ago and I brought my I was able to bring my wife that time. Yeah. So we had a we had a really good time in Toronto.\r\n\r\nIt's a great city. Yeah, I love to go. That's why I like going there.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nI don't know when I'll be back, but maybe next year. We'll see.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nDoes GitHub, do they support you? Personal development, like going to conferences and things, or is that?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nNot really. I have to. Well, sort partially.\r\n\r\nIf I get like when I went to Toronto a year and a half ago, my talk, what was my talk? Design and cognitive accessibility or something. So it wasn't related to GitHub, but the conference, you know.\r\n\r\nAs is such a respectable conference, paid for my way to go and to speak and so my boss, you know, he's like, fine, if they're going to pay your way, you know, yeah, you know, so he'll give me time for things like that. So so it works out that way. Yeah.\r\n\r\nOtherwise, I haven't been traveling and going to conferences as much as I used to, you know, because my boss and Maria and Carrie on my team, they do most of that and they do a great job. They leave you at home, well, they got to have fun pretty much. Yeah, they just traveled to Seattle and San Francisco and I missed out, but, you know, it's a lot of work, you know, like Maria.\r\n\r\nYeah, yeah, yeah. Of course, took over hosting a couple of events. And yeah, it's a lot of work.\r\n\r\nAnd I don't, you know, I don't have that kind of experience as far as putting on a whole event.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nSo, you know, well, I remember the time. Well, yeah, they're doing a whole event. But I remember that at a11yTO, you were you were marketing for Deque at the time.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nOh, yeah.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYou had a stand or whatever.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah, that's the reason I got to go that year. That's because I had to I had to be the marketing person in the booth.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nLike, yeah, I remember what I talked there a couple of years ago. Twenty three, I think it was. It was twenty three because it was just before it was my last event for TPG before I moved to TetraLogical.\r\n\r\nBut I remember that there was the Deque people marketing people in the room, and they were they were still talking about how Axe could now do 60 to 70 percent at the time, 60, 60 to 70 percent of WCAG issues. At the same time that I was talking, I was doing a talk the debunking that whole thing. It was really interesting because, yeah.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nWell, the thing is, you know, a lot of people don't realize a percentage of what are you talking about? Because there's two different things. What Deque always says to to bump up the number is the percentage of volume, the percentage of numbers.\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah. But then but then they were basing their percentage of volume on 4.1.1 issues, which is the the parsing issues.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nOh.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nSo once you take them out because they no longer then they even their number falls back to 30 percent. Really? Yeah.\r\n\r\nOh, wow. And 32 percent. I wrote something about it.\r\n\r\nI'll I'll point you towards it. It's just I know all I did was I looked at their research. I took their numbers and I took out the parsing.\r\n\r\nSo anyway, but they still seem to be pushing this idea that they can do more. And I think it's very similar to to how, you know, this the AI boom or whatever. Yeah.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nI mean, all the companies that have a product and like that, you know, they have to do what they can.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah. Well, of course, of course they do. But I mean, when I first started in 2002, 2001, I was the first thing, the first time I did a a talk was with Andrew Arch, who was my boss at the time.\r\n\r\nThe guy works at inTopia now. But he we did a research on automated tools. And at that time, 2002, it was like about 30 percent.\r\n\r\nAnd then there was like 50 percent, at least of the advice about, well, this could be an issue, but you never know. So you have to check it yourself. So but being told that is is it's it's just, you know, noise, really.\r\n\r\nYeah. The tools couldn't test things, but pretended they could or gave the impression that they were testing something when they weren't. And then, you know, I just think it was it's.\r\n\r\nProblematic to actually claim that you can, you know, that you can test more accurately than than you can. I mean, I'm waiting. I'm really hoping that that that I will come to the rescue.\r\n\r\nBut I don't think I mean, for some of the things where I wrote this article recently, well, a couple of months ago, six months ago, called Mind the Gap, WCAG Gap. Mind the automation gap. Essentially, it was just looking at each of the success criteria, which parts are testable through automated tooling and which parts are.\r\n\r\nAnd I've been waiting, you know, to get some somebody say, well, no, we can test this now with I haven't seen any of it. I haven't seen, you know, like it's fishy, sounds fishy. Yeah.\r\n\r\nWell, it sounds it's it sounds fishy and. The. It'll remain fishy until there's, you know, runs on the board and there's and there's open source sort of code that explains how to do it, you know.\r\n\r\nSo but I know that there will be, you know, there's a lot of activity within the big companies trying to work on this, this issue. I read something.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nI'm glad you wrote that article. I've helped boost it. So.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nOh, cool. Yeah, well, it's funny enough, I I asked Chat GPT the other day. I said, what's improved?\r\n\r\nYou know, is there any difference? Because I read that about a year ago or something, and it came back and said, well, actually, you you were a bit overly, overly ambitious with some of the automation. So it was basically telling me it seems to be now that it's got the the the word Salon has got in its head that all it's got in its, you know, sites that you can't do it all.\r\n\r\nAnd so it tells you that, which is useful, at least. Yeah, but when I get a chance, I plan on following up the article with with that stuff. So I will.\r\n\r\nWell, that that is the the Rogues Gallery, Dennis's Rogues Gallery. You seem to get through it reasonably well. I've actually I've reduced the amount of people because it was just getting too laborious.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nMm hmm. Yeah. So I did.\r\n\r\nI have watched a few of your chats, so I did get a warning about that exercise.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nOh, yeah. I know. I know why people find it so laborious, because it's not as if it's continued upon either, you know, you know, or you don't know.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nSometimes like I'll freeze up. Does that ever happen to you? Like somebody else, you know, the answer, but you're like, it's so obvious.\r\n\r\nYou're like, I bet that.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah, yeah, yeah. That's that happens to be in the first time I met Pat in person was many years ago. And also Eric Eggert.\r\n\r\nI mean, it was it was something in Germany. And I was asked about it was something that we are. How would you use Aria to do this?\r\n\r\nAnd I was like, I just had no idea. And if I know something, if I'm confident, then I feel fine. But throw me off the cuff question.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nAnd I was like, all right.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nI mean, you know, when I'm with a customer or a way of they're asking questions, if I don't know something, I'll just say, let me look into that. I'll come back to you. But you can't really say that when you're talking in a conference, so to speak.\r\n\r\nSo do you? Again, I'm mixing you up with Paul Jay. But like, do you have a boat or anything?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nA boat?\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah. No, no, because Paul Jay is the one that has he has lots of big EVs like Oh, SUVs.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah, like big cars. Yeah.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah. But they're all they're all electric vehicles, though. He drives.\r\n\r\nI was actually thinking about getting an electric vehicle. Do you have an electric vehicle? Are you going to?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nNot yet.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nNo, not yet. I was thinking about getting one.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah, I've been thinking about it for a long time. I don't know. I might get my next car might be a hybrid.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYou know, well, I mean, I hardly drive. Right. I mean, I drive probably a couple of times a week.\r\n\r\nI've had a car since 2017. I've done 30,000 miles. So that gives you an idea.\r\n\r\nSo it's just, you know, I mean, I don't know if, you know, I live close into London. There's there's a big shopping center within walking distance. I live in walking distance of everything.\r\n\r\nThe only time I use the car is to to drive the girls somewhere, really, or go and do the shopping.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nBut I was just thinking that I've got this car and I've had it 10 years, as I said, and it's it's in pretty good nick. I was thinking if I tried it in for a smaller EV, but the rub is, is that I had to get the infrastructure put in because I live in a block of flats, have to get the infrastructure put into to get the charging. Yeah, I was just thinking because both of my daughters, neither of them has a license, but they both want to drive.\r\n\r\nAnd I was thinking, well, I'll just get a small car for them to be able to drive. So. We'll see how that goes.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nDo any of you don't buy a Tesla?\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nI'm not buying a Tesla. It's the last thing I'll do. Somebody else said that to me.\r\n\r\nSome of the guys downstairs said, don't buy a Tesla. Why would I buy a Tesla? Yeah.\r\n\r\nWhy would I do it? Yeah. Yeah.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nWe don't need to go there.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So you are busy at home with family.\r\n\r\nWhat are you and you play bass guitar. Do you what do you do like to go out, see pictures or the movies or see bands?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah. Bands and travel. My wife loves to travel.\r\n\r\nSo we've been traveling a fair amount the last two or three years. We went to Sedona, Arizona. Oh, yeah.\r\n\r\nYeah. A few months ago. That was pretty awesome.\r\n\r\nHave you do you know anything about Sedona? You fly. Are you.\r\n\r\nSedona? No, it's a it's a town. Sedona.\r\n\r\nIt's a small town. So you fly into Phoenix. We rented a car and then we drove.\r\n\r\nIt's like two or three hours north, like up into the. It's like the high desert. Oh, OK.\r\n\r\nIt's like a high desert. Like it's like, yes. Um, swanky, like hippie, like it's like expensive, but it's like it's all it's it's a lot of.\r\n\r\nLike crystals and nature and meditation and hiking, like kind of stuff, yeah, and spas and like, yeah, like it's pretty cool. Um, so we went there is one of the places. But the the funnest part about the story is on the way home.\r\n\r\nWe spent the night in Phoenix because we had a flight early in the morning the next day. So I got this cheap hotel in downtown Phoenix, which when we first pulled it, we're like, oh, my God, what is you know? It was like it looked like a terrible hotel in a terrible neighborhood.\r\n\r\nBut but it ended up being actually fairly nice. And right across the street. The band Devo was playing in concert, really?\r\n\r\nYeah. I'm like, what? And so my wife found two tickets like resale tickets, I guess.\r\n\r\nYeah. Couldn't make it or whatnot. And we snatched them up and we went on a ghost tour because we like to do ghost tours.\r\n\r\nAnd then then we then we ran over to the venue right across the street from our hotel. And we went and we saw Devo in concert and it was fricking awesome. I love.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nWow. Yeah, I like to go. There's some of my favorite songs about it.\r\n\r\nAnd that's that's pretty incredible. I mean, I haven't been to see a. The concert for years, apart from I went to see the sleaford mods with my daughter and her girlfriend, which they played in Brixton Academy, which is just up in town.\r\n\r\nAnd that was great. So, yeah.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah, I mean, like all these old 80s bands are like doing their last hurrah, you know, and like they're.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nBefore they can't play anymore. They, you know, they've been a lot of them have been touring. So we were able to I was able to see a few bands that I've never seen before and a couple for the second or third time.\r\n\r\nSo we're going to see this fall. We're going to go see Weezer. Oh, Weezer.\r\n\r\nYeah, yeah. Well, there are 90s, but yeah, my that was my wife and I. When we first got married, that was we saw him in concert, actually, right before we got married.\r\n\r\nAnd so now, you know, 23 years later or whatever, a lot of water got under the bridge. Then we're going to go see him again. So, yeah, that's.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nWell, I saw the Rolling Stones have released a new album. \r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nWhat? Are you serious?\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah, no, no, no, I'm perfectly serious. Well, come on.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nThey're only in their 80s. Well, my dad's over 80 and he drives. He still rides his Harley.\r\n\r\nSo. Oh, really? Yeah.\r\n\r\nOh, excellent. Excellent.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nI I'm running dry here of questions. Sorry, Dennis, I've been. Since last week, I did a chat with Robyn Berjon and I've been off sick from work.\r\n\r\nI had the worst fucking problems with my bowels. Yeah, but it's I'm I'm generally better now, but it really took it out of me. So I'm a bit low energy, my friend.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nThat's all right. I got to go get lunch and get back to work. But no, I appreciate you having me on the show.\r\n\r\nIt's been great talking.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nThank you. And remember to have a look at the HTMLZ because the Fireside chats are sponsored by HTMLZ. Oh, and if anybody uses the code piggytrump.\r\n\r\nBut that's P.I.G.G.Y.T.R.U.M.P. And you get 20 percent discount. That's awesome. Yeah.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nSo that's the best discount code I've ever heard. Yeah. Thank you.\r\n\r\nIt took me minutes to think that up. Say hi to Carie and your friends at GitHub, and hopefully I'll see you at a11yTO in Toronto.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah, if not, if not, you never, you never know.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nBefore you go, I want to ask you, so you used to have Webaxe.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nWe didn't talk about Webaxe.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah, I know, but you had Webaxe, Dennis Lembree, EasyChirp, you had all those. Yeah. Those Twitter handles, they're all gone now.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nI think they still exist, but they're, you know, they're like archived or whatever.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nBut did you resurrect them on any of them?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nOn Mastodon? Well, I do Webaxe, I think on Mastodon. Yeah.\r\n\r\nThat's it. So I have Webaxe on Mastodon myself. That's pretty much it.\r\n\r\nAnd then I just.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nSo you've got Dennis Lembree and Webaxe. So what's the difference in content or why have you got multiple accounts for you?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nWell, good question. Webaxe still continues the web accessibility concentration. You know, I try not to stray far at all from that.\r\n\r\nSo anything web accessibility, the tech, the design, the job listings, whatever. Whereas my personal account is more, it's a little more varied. So some personal stuff, but mostly professional stuff.\r\n\r\nBut I try to do more like usability, you know.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nGotcha. So they're different.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nSustainability, supporting like sustainability and things like that.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah. Gotcha. Yeah.\r\n\r\nNo, I just see. Yeah. I mean, I was just always interested because I knew you had a number of accounts I didn't know.\r\n\r\nWhat who was the real Dennis? But now I do.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nI just kind of just kind of worked out that way because I started them all, you know, at different times. That's just how it worked.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nBut no worries. No worries. Dennis, look after yourself, my friend.\r\n\r\nAnd I will look forward to seeing you at some point in the future.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nIndeed. Indeed.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah. I like to come over this way. This side.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nYeah. That'd be awesome. Would love to.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nI've got you. Do you know Hans Hillen? I do.\r\n\r\nI do. Yeah. Yeah.\r\n\r\nWell, he's come to visit me on Wednesday. Yeah. Yeah.\r\n\r\nHe's over in he's lives in New Zealand, but he's now he's over see his family in the Netherlands and he's coming over. How is this day?\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nIt's I didn't know he lived in New. When did he move to New Zealand?\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nHe's been there for years because he got married to you. I think he's married, but he's got a kid with a woman and called Esther and yeah, she's from New Zealand. So he lives there.\r\n\r\nI guess I didn't never realize that. No. Well, I mean, it's just, you know, do you work remotely or are you going to go in the office?\r\n\r\nRemote is the only way. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is.\r\n\r\nDennis:\r\nOh, I was going to mention earlier. Yeah. Like so I moved to North Carolina from California, like ten and a half, almost going on 11 years ago.\r\n\r\nSo, you know, I've had like the three different jobs all remote. Yeah. All remote.\r\n\r\nSteve:\r\nYeah. Well, yeah. I mean, remotely anyway.\r\n\r\nI mean, I've been doing it since 2006. I always say it always so. I always got under my skin that that I hear on the radio, the talk radio, and they were saying, oh, you know, people should have to go back to work.\r\n\r\nAnd I was thinking, well, I've never had to go into work for the last X amount of time. I mean, why? You know, I know why it is, because they people, people that own offices will lose money.\r\n\r\nThat's the reason why they'll try to force them to go back. They'll try to force people back to the work. 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